Why can’t these tabloids just leave them alone. One week they say Rob and Kristen are blissfully happy and the next week they are about to break up. It makes me sick what these two have to put up with. Thank you GC for always being there to tear down these stupid rumors. Why can’t these crazy people just be happy for them?

Celebrity gossip sells papers, most of it is made up. There is no Robsten, which is a hideous name anyway. They are individuals who are working together playing a couple in 5 movies. It’s too bad people can’t distinguish real life from the movies. Friends with benefits covers a lot of territory, which is fine when you’re young and developing your career. It’s nobody’s business what they do behind closed doors, but just wait until the Twilight saga is over and see them go their separate ways. Then the stars of the next popular series can grab the gossip headlines. Shippers need to stop being so invested in the private lives of celebrities anyhow. Get your own life and leave them alone.

@Aghast by stupidity: I find the term “shipper” just as distasteful as “Robsten” so let’s not use either, okay? And isn’t anyone making comments on sites like these “invested” in these celebrities, so aren’t you part of this too? I do agree with you that we definitely need to leave these two alone because you are right, what they do behind closed doors is their business.

I’m ready to walk away because after looking at photos of Rob and Kristen since they started filming New Moon and up until now, I can see they do have a relationship beyond friendship. I was actually shocked that there are so many photos out there that point to this. I was a doubter but it’s clear to me now that they have been dating since Spring of 2009, after she stopped seeing Michael Angarano. I won’t waste time walking through every little detail (and there are a lot), but the big ones are: Staying at Charlie Chaplin hotel & Chateau Marmont together; going on club/bar dates all the time together, they travel together most of the time, spending New Year & her birthday together (even Christina Ricci confirmed Stew was in Budapest), trying to keep their activities hidden. The film’s Producer said they were together, Rob’s visits to Kristen’s On The Road Sets, the kiss in Montreal. Plus, in two years neither has dated anyone else, and finally, have you seen the pics of them swimming for fun together in the ocean in Brazil with nobody else there? And he was holding her hand as they walked off the set in Lapa. That was not part of any scene. They are also both very good looking people. It’s easy for them to be attracted to each other. They like the same things and they’ve certainly been getting along well enough to spend all of their non-working time together for the past year. I don’t see them breaking up after these films. They are a very solid couple to still be together with all of the madness directed towards them. They both come from families with parents who have had long marriages so they have that as an example too.

I do still think that Summit has used R & K’s personal relationship – I heard that they actually put the word out to the paparazzi community to come to Brazil. I think this is the same trick they used when they were filming New Moon in Italy. How else do the paps get such good quality photos of scenes that should be kept out of the media until the movie is ready to be released. I feel like I’ve already seen 1/4th of Edward & Bella’s honeymoon.

Grey Girl, You don’t have to be “invested” to be a fan. There’s a difference between enjoying someone’s career and sticking your nose in ever aspect of their personal life as if you were a member of their family. The paps get good photos because they hide in bushes and rent boats to get as close as they can, it’s their job. As for the photos of them swimming, just because you didn’t see the crew doesn’t mean they weren’t there. Ever think that they were rehearsing for a scene in the water? Or just cooling off while the director arranged the next shot?

As for holding hands when they walked off the street scene in Rio, they were surrounded by over 300 very energetic Brazilian fans, one of whom had already thrown herself at Rob, it’s not surprising they were still holding hands. There were also fan reports that the pavement was uneven and he was holding onto her to keep her from falling over in her high heels. Plus, Kristen is known for being very clingy, there are photos of her draping herself all over just about everyone she’s ever co-starred with. So that incident doesn’t serve as proof of anything to me. And if you don’t like the term “shipper” then don’t make comments that you think their relationship will continue after filming BD is over, because that’s exactly what a shipper would say.

@Aghast by stupidity: I agree with you about the holding hands pics. There are a series of videos that were shot in succession (out there on the internet for anyone to find) that show them walking off holding hands, but they also were walking towards the next set location where there was a crew setting up the lighting for the next scene. My guess is that they were also being filmed as they were walking towards that spot hence the need for them to continue holding hands. Pictures regarding these two are not proof of anything in their personal lives. People forget that there are 24 hours in a day and it only takes a few seconds to snap a picture that will remain frozen in time forever. Point being, each photograph taken of them is only a few seconds out of minute so on so forth, it cannot tell you what goes on in their minds and, generally, whatever comments are made relative to that frozen few seconds of a moment are someone else’s thoughts and opinions and/or utter fiction to sell their stories. @Grey Girl as far as them swimming together with “no one there” where do you think the pictures came from if there was no one there to snap them? There was a whole crew of people there at that time or do you just discount all the other photos that go along with those pictures? It amazes me what people will believe just based on a photograph. It amazes me that there is anyone out there that can presume to know what goes on in the minds of Robert and Kristen about their personal lives and their friendship. Why can’t people just appreciate them for their individual talent? Why does it always have to be about whether or not they are a couple in real life? I think that they would appreciate it more if you all focused on their talent and lay off their personal business.

I looked at the Lapa pics again, and yes, there are at least two separate occaisions where R is holding K’s hand (a couple of them look like they are dancing in the scene). I see the one where they are in the middle of a crowd and it looks like “Edward” is leading “Bella” to a taxi. It’s the last one that looks personal to me. They are not in a crowd, it’s a wide angle shot so you can see that it’s only them and their bodyguards. Yes, they are walking on uneven pavement towards their limo. It appears to me that filming is over and they are leaving the set. Of course, Rob’s a gentleman and would hold Kristen’s hand to help her keep her balance so there is no argument against that, but it could just as easily be a case of a boyfriend holding his girlfriends hand too. This one photo is not proof that they are a couple. For me, it is their BEHAVIOUR over the past two years that at the very least allows for the possibility that they are dating. While it may be nobody’s business, it does have an impact on how I will feel when I’m watching Breaking Dawn. I will be wondering how much of their performance is acting and how much do their real feelings impact on the movie. Now, this could become a discussion about their talent, because my question would be, how much talent do two people who are dating have to have to perform roles of two people in love?

@Gypsyjae You are AWESOME!!!! You just have a way about letting people know what is on your mind. And I really love the hint, just a hint, of smart ass. On the serious side, I’m with you 100%. So many people will look at one pic and say, see they are in love. If they would just look at everything, they would, or at least should, know better. It is in the details. You don’t have to be that experienced in the art of being in love to know that something between these two doesn’t jive. They just do not act like they are in a romantic relationship. I found a site where a guy, a straight guy, actually decides after being asked his take on the whole robsten thing for the 20th + time, gives his opinion on the matter. Apparently he is a full time contributor to this Rob fan site. His take is that they are not together. He goes through the different pics that robstens frequently point to and decides that, if they are not manips, they show nothing but two friends hanging out. His other comments are exactly what you and I have been saying for a while now, Rob has “hit that shit” as he puts it. Nothing wrong with that of course, sex and love are two totally different things. Even if they did have sex, that in no way has to mean that they are in love and in a real life realtionship. I am so glad to have found a guy’s opinion though.

@Grey Girl: You are right, it is a relationship in the making, tee hee. I am not going against my statements. I take for granted that you are a fan, or you would not be on this board, so given that you are a fan, then you would know that neither Rob or Kristen can just do anything without being baraged by adoring fans or paparazzi or the media in general. I assumed that you would know that there would be some sort of security in place to keep these people from invading their space hence it is automatic that you would assume there were other people around them and that they were not “alone”. Whether it was still the lingering crew that was there or just security people, I take it on knowing that this is their reality to know that they were not alone while they were swimming. My statement is just logic, they know each other, they don’t know very many of the other people that they worked with, so when they decided to have some fun, who else would they do that with, total strangers or each other? I don’t see that going back on my word about anything. I also don’t keep going for the arguments that only support my own thought about the two of them. Like I stated, I came late to the game, I was like you regarding the pictures and believing that they had a romance going for them. I did want to believe that, I was happy for them when he made that statement at the BAFTAS back in February that it was supposed to be their first public appearance as a couple. I watched that interview as it was happening, I heard what he said, however, it has since been squashed as if he never made the statement at all. But it was also after that statement that I noticed that things were different. The BAFTAs were at the end of February and March started that 42 day period of them not hanging together. So, I started looking back in time at archives and datelines to answer questions that I was curious about and come to realize that most of the stories that were being sold for truth where they were concerned was nothing more than media speculation and gossip solely created to entice people to click on a web site. Then I started reading the interviews or watching them on You Tube, not to mention that I discovered some sites on line that go through the trouble of taking manipulated pictures of them together and finding the original pictures to show how the pictures were manipulated. The most exposure to one of them is the picture of him with his arms around her while they are standing by a car, that is not a real photograph, it is manipulated from individual pictures and put together. Clever, but fake none the less. So when I do hear that people believe in the photographs as “proof” I wonder how closed off they actually are not to realize that someone out there with the time on their hands and nothing better to do will photoshop some of these so called “exclusive” pictures. The kiss picture in Montreal comes to mind because when I first saw it, the story was that the photographer, who they would only name as Randy, claimed that he got the pictures as they were leaving to get into a cab to head off towards someone’s house party. How would Randy know that when he was apparently lurking in the bushes or behind parked cars? Randy is supposedly a professional photographer, yet the pictures of them kissing are grainy and unclear as opposed to the pictures of them in the lobby of the hotel. Regardless, in the clear pictures, you can see what exactly Kristen was wearing, a dark tee shirt with writing on the back and with sleeves, she was wearing loose fitting, cargo type long to the knee shorts and was carrying a checkered shirt. Rob was wearing a blue shirt with the sleeves rolled up to the elbows and his LB hat, which when he wears that hat he rarely takes off. In the lobby as he was walking with her, his arm was extended with his hand resting on the back of her shoulder as if he were guiding her along and when she separated from him, he stood there looking kind of sad or resigned, much like the expression on her face. In the grainy pictures where she is reaching up around his neck, there are no sleeves on her shirt, as a matter of fact you can see both her shoulders as if the shirt was sleeveless, which it was not. There is either a tattoo or really bad bruise on her upper arm, which there is none on Kristens arms in the clear pictures, if you look at the thighs they are suddenly thunder thighs and the pants are not loose but are tight to the thighs. Kristen is slight in frame and her shorts/pants were loose and baggy. As I said, there is a succession of pictures as she pulls him into the kiss. Tom is in the background in each of the pictures standing in the same position with his arm up, Rob is holding a shopping bag and his arm also stays in exactly the same position, he is not wearing his hat either and the only thing that moves from one picture to the next are their heads, his arm stays in the same position, Tom stays in the same position until the last picture when he turns his head. The story behind those pictures as per Randy the photographer was that they were heading out to go to some house party after having dinner. Okay, when did Rob have time to go shopping? There is also video of Kristen walking out a side door into the parking garage and she was carrying a checkered shirt in her hand, when she was wrapping her arms around his neck, what did she do? Throw the shirt on the ground? And not for nothing, but the woman you love is wrapping her arms around you to kiss you and you don’t put the shopping bag down to embrace her when she does? The only thing that moves on Rob is his head. He was not carrying a shopping bag when the were walking into the hotel lobby, but she was carrying her checkered shirt. There is a reason why those photos just happened to be so grainy and fuzzy as opposed to the clearer pictures of them in the hotel lobby. Most people would just look at those pictures and see what they want you to see, but if you really look at them, you will see the discrepancies. It is like the games they have where they show you two of the same exact picture and one is the real picture and the other they removed some detail and then ask you to find out where the differences are. It is not so much that Rob was not wearing his hat either, sure, he could have taken it off, but if you look at the pictures of him wearing his hat, you can see that his hair was cut pretty short to the side of his head, but in the kiss picture, his hair was fuller all the way around. It just looks too fake to me. I understand completely that people will see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. I am not the only person in the world that spotted the very same things about this picture either. So I don’t stand alone in this. I have read many comments where there are other people who honed in on the very same things that I see when I look at that picture. I believe the last thing that I read that Kristen was quoted as saying was when she did an interview in South Korea this past June, the interviewer said to her, “As far as I know, you (her and Rob) are a couple” to which she replied, “Wow, as far as you know, that is breaking news, you know more than anyone else does.” Not to mention the fact that she bailed on answering the question when Oprah asked it and left it up to Rob who joked his way out of it by saying, “Kristen is pregnant” to which she had to state that he likes to shock people because he thinks it is funny. She also went on to say that they already had the discussion that he would have to have the kids because there was no way she was going to have them. They both know how to work the media, in case you haven’t noticed by now. In answer to your question about whether or not there would be a perceptable difference in the performance of two actors who are not dating and those who are dating, I really don’t know. It depends on how professionally they would handle themselves in such a situation. I would think that it would be more uncomfortable for two people who are dating to do love scenes together because it would be like inviting people into their most intimate exchanges as a couple. I wish you had not mentioned Jolie and Pitt as an example of “love”. He was married to Aniston when they started filming Mr. & Mrs. Smith so essentially, he was effing around on his wife and Jolie was doing what she does best, going after another woman’s old man. You want to call that love, I call it lust. There is a difference. He just got caught the minute she turned up pregnant before the ink was on the divorce papers. He still hasn’t married her though, has he? The problem with Rob and Kristen is that a great majority of their fan base are tweens and teens who believe that they are the characters that they play. That is what got this whole thing started in the first place. They are awful about it as well, rabid as a matter of fact that if there is anyone out there that disagrees with their assessment they will hunt you down and do you bodily harm. Hence the term fanatic. Most of them haven’t any experience in having a romantic relationship yet so they have no clue whatsoever that in adult relationships men and women don’t need to have “secret” ways of showing their solidarity, or whatever it is that excites them so much when they focus on Rob and Kristen. There are also the Krisbians out there that are totally in love with Kristen Stewart and absolutely hate Rob or anyone who doesn’t worship the ground Kristen walks on. Neither one of them got into acting to become the poster child for these people, but the media has managed to make a small fortune feeding that frenzy. It is totally insane how they behave. They do at times come on this board and make threats and come off so totally rude and obnoxious because you don’t believe what they believe. But in getting back to your question? I would have to imagine that it would be more difficult for actors and actresses who are dating or in love to play the intimate scenes in a romantic movie because it would be like inviting a million and one people into your bedroom while you are making love. Whether or not it makes a difference in their performance, I would not know. I would imagine that in keeping with their professionalism, it wouldn’t, but on a personal level, it may be more difficult for a couple who are dating to play that scene than if they were with people that they were not romantically involved with. On screen chemistry is great, there are a lot of on screen couples that are so believable that you would think that they had something more going on between them, like Hanks and Ryan, or Bullock and Grant or Gere and Roberts to name a few, but the reality is that they are not romantically involved, yet all of them are very convincing on screen, the same as Rob and Kristen have been so far in the first three movies. It is what they do by profession, it is their craft and they are both good at that craft. I don’t think that it would make a difference in the world if they were or weren’t a couple when it comes to playing the roles of Bella and Edward in front of the camera, behind the camera that may be a different story. As for Taylor and Burton? Not that I have seen many of her movies or his, they were famous before my time, but at the end of the day, from the movies that I have seen with her in, I just see Elizabeth Taylor who is larger than life and not the characters she is supposed to be playing. I prefer actors and actresses that can make me see the characters they are portraying and not just who they are in a role. I don’t know if that came off the way it is meant to be, but there are those actors and actresses out there that managed to garner the fame and yet no matter what role you see them in, they play the character exactly the same way as all their other roles with nothing worth noting to the performance. I think that her romances and several marriages and her physical beauty are what she is most famous for, I do concede that this is just my opinion, others may think she was the greatest thing since sliced bread. As for Sean Penn and Madonna? In their personal relationship they may have had all the passion any two people could muster, on screen, they were a huge dud and they were in love, the same thing for when Madonna did any movie with Warren Beatty, they were dating at the time those movies were made, they were not pulling it off on screen. I guess it all depends on the actors themselves as to whether or not they can separate their emotions from the job or not. At the end of the day, I would have to think that it should not matter one way or the other in their performances, whether dating or not, if the people in question are totally professional at what they are doing. Most dedicated actors and actresses invest a degree of dedication to the movies they are making wherein they want them to be the best they can be and therefore they give their all to the effort regardless of what is or isn’t going on in their personal lives. Rob and Kristen probably will continue to avoid answering the question, make the best of these last two movies without anyone knowing if they are or they aren’t a couple and that chemistry would still be there. I guess you will have to decide for yourself if their perfomance is better or not if you believe they are a couple or not. I don’t think that there is any answer I could give you that would make a difference. I have not seen Eclipse yet. I do know that from reading the books, by the time Eclipse rolled along, I wanted to jump in the pages and smack the shit out of Bella for being such a head game player and Jacob for being that pathetic dude that keeps trying to break up a couple just because he is in love with Bella. If they are convincing in that aspect, then they are doing what they do best. It still does not change my thoughts on whether or not they are a couple, I still reserve the right to wait and see what they have to say about that, and not what is force fed to me by the media who are only fabricating a good majority of the stories to make a buck. Everyone has an agenda. I have the patience of a saint. I can wait for that defining moment. If it turns out that they are a couple, I will be just as happy for them and life will go on for me as it always has, if they come out and say they aren’t, my life will still go on as it normally does. I have nothing invested in whether they are or they aren’t save the same curiosity you have about it. I never watched one Twilight movie so far with the thought that they were a real life couple, it is just a movie, fictional characters, fictional storyline, entertainment. I found them very convincing on screen. Does that make me think they are a couple in reality, not really. They are actors, it is what they do. It is the profession they chose, they should be good at convincing people, that is their job. Do they bring their work home with them at the end of the day? They have been asked, yet still choose not to answer. What can I say about that? Until they do, perhaps friends with benefits comes to mind. It is not like they can just go out the door and meet other people and start dating them as they are followed no matter where they go, it kind of forces them to stay in a box so to speak and may be they just depend on each other for what they need until they can get out and do their own thing individually. I am not the fly on the wall there.

@Gypsyjae: We are so going to have to have a virtual cup of coffee one day! I have an older brother who is in the Film program at UCLA and I enjoy having conversations with him about the process that are often enlightening and intriguing, but sometimes he’s just my annoying sib who will argue a point just for the sake of it. I appreciate your voice here.

Thanks for laying out your view on the grainy Montreal kiss pic. I’ll give that some thought. I did want to mention, just because I know it’s out there, that the fan pictures of Rob & Kristen at the retaurant that same night (it’s that series with the one of R&K together w/fans) there is a pic of Kristen w/the fans and Rob is standing in the background and he is holding that bag, which I assume is their leftovers or takeout. And he’s not wearing his cap then either. You should probably take a look at that one too. I don’t know, it’s hard to know the time sequence in which the photos were snapped. Where did the bag go? Did they go to dinner, then to the hotel to drop the bag off & pick up her shirt, then go to he house party, then leave the party, then go back to the hotel? Actually, my thought was that maybe they were kissing and the photographer purposefully messed up the photo to make it vague but still sellable to magazine outlets. I know the media is playing a game and they will work the angle that’s best for them. I think it’s possible that no magazine wants to print a real photo of them kissing because then there will be no more mystery for them to sell. As the producer Wyck Godfrey said over the summer, “are people still talking about that?”, whether R & K are dating. I think there is a larger majority that is over the whole question by now as well.

So, moving on…

Gypsyjae, I totally agree with you on the smacking of Bella! I also read all four books at the same time in 2008 just after Breaking Dawn was released and before Twilight hit theatres. I adore Stephenie Meyers but she made me so mad when she spent all of New Moon on Jacob Black, then in Eclipse Bella has her beloved Edward back but she does this whole passive-agressive thing – I love you Edward, but I can’t seem to let go of Jacob either. Of course Bella was hurt over Edward leaving and she just meekly accepted his return, but she should have let loose and yelled at him and told Edward how much he hurt her instead of playing games with Jacob. And Jacob is totally manipulating her and Bella so willingly lets him get away with it! When I read Midnight Sun on Stephenie’s website, I wished she would have had Edward go spend some time with Tanya. Bella would have deserved that, since she so-desperately had to be with Jacob. I felt like no boyfriend would have stood for that kind of treatment from his girlfriend. I get it, Edward is deeply in love with Bella, but I didn’t like that he was pretty much letting Bella walk all over him for the sake of that love. I know some critics have said the books aren’t very good, but I think the success of the series proves them wrong. These books get readers to feel so emotional that we want to jump into the pages and interact with these characters. To each his own, I guess.

It’s been interesting discussing this with you, but I’m ready to move on. See you on another topic! Bye!

@Rosebud: Sorry about the paragraphs, I just forget to double space between when I get on a roll. The statement was about the picture of Rob and Kristen in the hotel lobby when they were in Montreal this passed summer. He was walking her into the hotel lobby with his arm extended and his hand resting on the back of her shoulder. There are a succession of pictures of the both of them and they both look sad or upset and at one point, she separates from him, leaving him to watch her walk off and he has a look of sadness or resignation on his face, much like the expression on her face in other pictures. I am surmising that whatever conversation they were having, to me, seemed like it was not a happy conversation for either of them. We can only see snapshots of a second in time, we cannot hear their conversation to know what is being discussed. The expressions on their faces seemed to express sadness or resignation, in my eyes. I am not saying that either one of them was looking sad or resigned simply because they were going separate ways.

As far as the kiss picture goes, I believe that it is photoshopped or manipulated as there are way too many discrepancies about the picture that makes it look fake to me. I believe the photographer made a point of having the kiss pictures come across grainy and unclear so that people would not focus so much on the discrepancies and just take the kiss picture for the split second attention most people would give it and accept that it is the real deal. I just happened to pay attention to details. I noticed the differences in the pictures as to the fact that Kristen’s shirt (clearer pictures) has sleeves but that in the kiss picture, you can see both her shoulders as if the shirt was sleeveless, etc.

@Robsessed1986: You know I am going to email you eventually. There are things that come to mind when I read these posts that I wonder if you catch them too. Talk to you soon.

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